Absolutely ridiculous! Letās stop all departures at LAX so this guy can get his way. ![]()
That, refusing to copy a number, etc. I hope the FAA has a talk with him.
Sadly, this is the type of pilot behavior that is often found in the tragedies Iāve covered on the channel
Man thinks hes the only on there
Do they let people declare emergencies without any particular reason?
No, you can get in trouble for declaring an emergency if your only reason for doing so is to bypass ATC rules. Iām not sure how to handle these situations though because it could be very subjective. The pilot could argue that he needed help, but when you threaten that youāre going to declare just to get what you want, itās hard to argue you werenāt trying to bypass ATC.
Yeah, doesnāt exactly look good when thatās on the tape
He wonāt quit:
Be sure to read the email from the controller at the beginning.
I hope I donāt wind up seeing Hoover do a Debrief on a crash of his but I worry with his attitude that itās only a matter of time.
Came here to post just this ⦠but from VASaviation.
(EDIT) Oh wait, thereās multiple videos? ![]()
Thereās always two sides to a story (three, actually: yours, theirs, and reality), and ho boy Iād sure love to hear the other one. I think weāre missing something from the VAS version. What led to the airborne hissy fit?
BTW, love the āI wonāt eat my broccoli and you CANāT MAKE MEā vibe of the Citation pilot. Sure, just sneak off and no one will ever find you. ![]()
Youāre the person behind VAS? You run a fantastic channel, it must be hours of work creating the content you put out and literally, I donāt think any other creator can do what you do.
Wow! Iād love to have an emergency with 3K lbs of fuel and the runway within 3 NM, no fire and some haze and sun glintā¦stuff dreams are made of really!
Yes, Iām happy to debate this (the āYou werenāt there crowdā) as long as you likeā¦!
One thing you definitely donāt want to do is make pilots with genuine emergencies reluctant to declare them in case they incur a penalty.
This guy actually said āif I donāt get the approach I want, Iām declaring an emergency.ā The controller couldnāt have been nicer either. I was surprised when he said how many souls on board he had! Iād pegged him as a private pilot with maybe one passenger he was showing off to.
Iām not Victor, was just posting his video link.
Oh dear, I did wonder about that after I posted. But Iāve discovered that even deleting a post leaves an obvious entry. People are no doubt wondering what awful comment I thought better of posting!
Well, kudos to you for not just accepting the praise anyway ![]()
You can always use the āeditā icon to change it. It depends upon the server admin how long after you post youāre allowed to make changes. And if itās configured to on this Discourse forum, your post will show an icon indicating you made a change.
Iāve had REdditors accuse me of making āninja time warp edit changesā to a post when I catch myself out, like thereās a crime against it. ⦠IMHO, there is no law against it. Maybe it comes with age and maturity.
People on Reddit complained when you edited a post? Thatās considered the polite way of doing things in many forums
Saw this. What a schmuck! I would never get in an airplane with himā¦should have his ticket pulled! Talk about hazardous behaviors
Agreed. I do hope that whatever comes of this isnāt focused on him declaring and instead focuses on his violation of 91.123, particularly the Emergency Reporting requirement. The industry and community have done a lot over the past bunch of years to de-stigmatize declaring an emergency. I hope that if action comes of this it doesnāt become an urban legend about the guy who got nailed to the wall by the FAA just for declaring an emergency. If they do include his inappropriate use of emergency authority in any action against him then I really hope that they provide lots of context around why.
Well even as a Private Pilot he could have lots of people onboard - the limitation is the aircraft size, so long as he is operating under Part 91. In this case the pilot happened to have Commercial privileges for AMEL, but there really isnāt much distinction with respect to how the flight was being operated.
Perhaps more interestingly he was flying a Citation V, but he referred to it as an āEagle SP,ā which I understand from a Citation expert is a single pilot certified aircraft. In the case of the former (Citation V), one would required a single pilot exemption in addition to the type rating to operate single pilot. Itās not a type rating itself - itās just a letter of exemption allowing that pilot to operate that type single pilot. So the only way to know whether he had the letter of exemption would be a ramp checkā¦though I suppose the FAA itself could know by checking its records to see if the letter was ever issued.
A lot of good points there. I hadnāt realised you needed an exemption to fly single pilot. I assume this is just for planes over a certain size.
I tend to assume commercial pilots donāt argue with controllers and that it just happens with awkward, arrogant private pilots, but thereās no logic to that assumption!
